Why Jealousy is The Best Worst Thing for Car Enthusiasts

"JGrabowMSt" (jgrabowmst) 02/23/2015 at 20:40 • Filed to: Car Culture, Jealousy

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There are a million reasons for why owning an exotic, enthusiast or custom car could appeal to someone. It gives you attention in the form of people gratifying your investments to keep the car on the road. Whether it's monetary, your time, your labor, or whatever else it may have required to get the car running again to the point where you could drive it again. These people want to enjoy seeing it, taking pictures of it, and short of anything else, saying how jealous they are.

Is this jealousy really what we want in the automotive industry? As long as it's for the right reasons, I fully believe that it is what we want, and it's paramount to make sure that people experience it. The best way to make another auto enthusiast is to share the experience with someone in such a way that they can take that experience and develop a true desire to feel it again and build new experiences of their own.

It's absolutely important for all of us to share our vehicles, no matter whether we consider them truly special or otherwise. Just because we've already developed our opinions doesn't mean we should be denying the experience to a little kid who has yet to really learn anything. It's the time to make things up and be silly with the little kids. You brought a Jetta TDI Sportwagen and parked it next to a Mercedes SLS AMG? Maybe your Jetta Sportwagen is red and the SLS AMG is Imola Grey. You're free to poke fun at the SLS and let the little kid sit in your car and tell him it's the fastest thing in the world because it's red, and everyone knows red cars go the fastest! But never forget, the cars themselves don't matter, your responsibility is to make that little child want to have a car, and want to go to car shows for the rest of his life, all because he remembers sitting in the fastest car in the world, a bright red wagon.

It looks faster because it's red, and the driver has a helmet on!

But what about the bigger kids, us "grown" auto enthusiasts. What are we to do about our automotive desires? Many of us simply aren't in a position to jump in the fire of owning our "dream cars," which leaves us with the annoying feeling of knowing what we want, and then knowing we can't have it. What should we do about it? Live with it, knowing that we're so close but so far from our own dreams whenever one drives by? Do we act on it, dropping our savings towards whatever means necessary in order to make ownership a possibility, even if it means our financial demise?

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As adults, we face these decisions about just about everything. Buying a house, starting a family, buying things we need, buying things we want, and so on. So many of our purchase decisions are out of jealousy, we see things we want that someone else has, and then we make an active effort in order to get it ourselves, but is the automotive industry really the same thing? Do I need a new iPhone just because a commercial for the new one just aired? Why should I daily drive a 5.7L V8 when I could just as easily daily drive a Camry? I could get double the gas mileage, I could enjoy relatively cheap services, smaller cheaper tires, less oil for the oil changes, nearly everything about it sounds like a financial win. Less is more, right? Why be jealous of someone who has to buy $2500 tires?

The primary problem with jealousy or desire for a car is something is that you need to be mindful of because there's a huge difference between having the means, and simply wanting the vehicle. I could freely admit that I would love a Pagani Zonda, Koenigsegg CCXR, Mercedes Benz 300SL gullwing, Dodge Challenger Hellcat, Tesla Model S P85D, and all sorts of other cars that are positively lustworthy. The problem with saying that is that for many of the cars on that list, it's not just an issue of buying the car, it's the maintenance and the insurance and it's not something to scoff at. These costs are very high, and it's something too many people just don't even consider when they say they want these high end or truly exotic rides. It's not wrong to have dreams, but our dreams shouldn't just be to own a special car, !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .

This is where we hit a small speed bump in the lusting over truly unique, special and exotic cars that we get to see at the concours shows or truly high end, once a year events. Those of us (because we cannot separate ourselves from other automotive enthusiasts) who can afford truly special cars too often view them as investments. Yes, they are valuable pieces of automotive history, and yes they have the ability to appreciate in value over time. So often, cars get cooped up which deserve to drive and spend mile after mile singing, no, screaming the song of their people. To deprive the car of that ability simply to allow it's value to appreciate is where we often question this jealousy of exotic ownership.

My personal opinion on this is simple. I'm not saving my cars for the next guy. I didn't buy them to stare at them, nor did I buy them to preserve every original nut and bolt for the next person. My Dodge Magnum will certainly go under the knife for many things while it's under my ownership. It will see coilovers, a new rear, and if I get my way, a bigger, badder motor. The next person may come along and love it, or they may come along and say I butchered the car. Is either of those opinions right? Different strokes for different folks, no? But what about my exotic? Is it something to be jealous of? It's a rear wheel drive, wide tired V12 behemoth with every ounce of German luxury that the 1990s could offer. What makes it special? Most importantly, the same thing that makes your personal car special. It's special to me, or it's special to you. Intrinsic value is often times unmatched by the paper dollar by an immeasurable margin.

So my own personal exotic is quite special, and I make sure I take it out often for other people to enjoy as well. There were 806 Mercedes Benz SL600 cars built in 1997. How many of them were Sport models, much less SP2 packages? How many of them are truly the same package? I may never know a more specific number. I know my exotic is powered by what I personally consider one of the most iconic supercar engines, because it was put into !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . The Mercedes M120 V12 was stuffed into the SL600 with just a little bit of extra room to spare, with a comfortable "389" horsepower, if you'll believe that number. Jeremy Clarkson once said that putting the M120 into a car made it the fastest car of that type, referring to the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . Pagani took notice quickly, and before Ferrari and Lamborghini knew what happened, the Zonda was created, powered by none other than the Mercedes AMG M120 V12. Let's just step back for a minute, my SL600 Sport has the same motor the original Zonda was given. Look at how far that's taken Pagani, with so many special versions of the Zonda, now the Huayra. Would Pagani be the same had they chosen any other engine for their car? I'd like to think that the M120 is the piece of automotive history that I can own and share with other people, because no, Pagani wouldn't have become what it is now without the M120.

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As I step off my soapbox, someone, somewhere is sitting on the other side of the screen thinking "I need to get me one of those." Well, I'll tell you that you aren't the first person to utter those words about the SL600 Sport. It's something that many people have said once they started asking questions about the car. It's a feeling I take pride in. Not to gloat or rub it in anyone's face, but to cherish for myself simply because I know that I own something that will one day be desirable. Am I going to leave the car parked in the garage with 99,960 miles on it, so that someone else can take away the joy of rolling it over 100,000 miles? Like hell I will. I'll drive the car like it was meant to be driven. Often and quickly.

After moving the car around the garage a couple weeks ago, it ticked over to 99,960.

But is it the end for me, knowing that I own a car that's special? No. There are cars that I believe are special, and many other enthusiasts will agree, but if you were to pull into a car show, it would be quite difficult to garner any attention at all, save for many one or two true fans. Is that the litmus test for whether a car is special though? Whether people are jealous or not?

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You're simply asking the wrong question. To expect attention at a car show is to be no better than the people who merely allow their cars to appreciate in monetary value while protected in a bubble, kept from the rest of the world, and worse yet, the roads they should be tearing up.

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The question is not whether someone else thinks my car is special or beautiful or jealousy inducing. The question is whether I fell for the car because I found it special or beautiful or I just had to have it. To depend on someone else for that answer is to lack the awareness of whether you truly enjoy a vehicle. You need to be proud of your own car, and find it beautiful or special in some way, whether you drive a super clean Honda Prelude, a soon to be running Mercedes 190E, or you drive a mostly stock Ford Focus ST. They're all special, and they're all exciting and beautiful to someone. To just live a life of jealousy over a lack of attention or "I could have had X," is simply not how to be an automotive enthusiast. It's our responsibility to each other to make sure that we can all experience the luxury and the excitement of high end cars with as many people as possible. It doesn't matter if it's a three year old or a 50 year old, we're all enthusiasts in various stages of maturity about our automotive preferences, and we owe it to each other if we're able to afford having something special. If you're sitting there moping over not having something special, take a look back into your driveway and realize that you do have something special.

You have the ability to be a part of a culture, one that is not restricted by whether you have an exotic or a domestic, American Muscle or German Luxury. Car culture is about enjoying and experiencing. Experience all you can, and make the experience as positive as possible for everyone you meet, especially the youngest members who are most impressionable. It's supposed to be fun, let's keep it that way.

Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion > JGrabowMSt 02/23/2015 at 21:50

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I can't drive as I'm not old enough (15 more days till I can get my permit- Yaaasss).

I'm jealous of everyone *

*who can drive, which is most people on here

JGrabowMSt > Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion 02/23/2015 at 22:00

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And thats a very good thing, because you should want to drive and have your own cars and generally pursue new automotive experiences. Its what makes you an enthusiast.

Just dont be jealous because you dont have what I have. Be proud of having what you have (when you get there, of course).

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > JGrabowMSt 02/23/2015 at 22:19

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Oh how I wish someone wrote something like this months ago, I think it's speaking to me more than anyone else here. Logic dictates that everything you said is correct and makes all the sense, but my emotional thoughts say something else that I can't put to words.

And I have to ask myself, life being so finite, do I just accept that I won't be able to afford all the cars I want and may even die before owning so much as one of them, and if so, how? And at the same time, others that are more successful can enjoy the cars I can only dream and lust after, flaunt them and their seemingly infinite wealth and do amazing things that I'll never be able to do no matter how hard I try or work. This is what creates my jealousy, as I see no positives or any good perspective to this at all. I guess its a curse to being human. Also the primary reason I never go to car shows or have the urge to do so, because I know I'd lose my mind if I went, so by not going it's a double edged sword against myself.

And you know what, maybe I do crave some form of attention, something I've never had but always wanted as a kid, that's never gonna go away. In short, my jealousy is in a league of it's own that I internally spite other people at times, regardless of what I have because I can't help but compare myself to others.

I guess I put it to words afterall

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > JGrabowMSt 02/23/2015 at 22:19

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You know thats exactly what got me Vikkie?... well it was

its a very good point to bring up honestly

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion 02/23/2015 at 22:20

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be proud of what you have. Don't be jealous of other people's cars. I have a Infiniti QX4. It's a slightly slow 1200 dollar car with a Bose sound system and leather all over. 6 track. I've learned all of its idiocracies and kinks. I love it. It may not be worth to some schmuck on CL, but it's priceless to me. It's a hand me down. So what? Power everything, for a cheap price. I'm continuing my auto journey by refurbishing all the plastic trim with flat black spray paint to refresh the look of it. As tavarish has done with his M5, plati dip or flat spray paint applied carefully (often by removing the trim) can make a car look new again. It's helped me grow as an enthusiast and a car lover. I've done hooning experiences in it. Cutting it close to things. Regretful and memorable things. And I'm 17. And I'm proud of my car.

trey0four > JGrabowMSt 02/23/2015 at 22:30

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Wow this really puts things into perspective. I daily a '92 4-speed auto Integra and it truly is special, not to the general population, but for me

JGrabowMSt > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 02/23/2015 at 22:30

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I still think you should get Vikkie back on the road. She may not have the spaceball shifter, but she is very, very special.

JGrabowMSt > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/23/2015 at 22:33

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What youve ended up doing is restricting your experiences under the assumption that you think you cant attain something special. Meanwhile you have something special, you just keep forgetting it.

Dont think I was in a totally different spot when I was younger. We grow, we learn, we improve. Yourself included.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > JGrabowMSt 02/23/2015 at 22:44

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I was pretty sure I'm being realistic, there's no way in hell I'm ever owning a Ferrari, 430 or 458, or a GT3 or GT2 RS, or god willing a 918. You can't possibly tell me that I could have any one of those with any amount of work. Sure, what I have is damned special to me, but there's more out thee, so much more, and if I can't get any of it no matter how hard I work, even if it was a lifetime of work, then what's the point? It's not giving up, it's accepting reality, something no child should ever have to know being young or growing up, but being older, you simply can't live by the adage that everything is attainable in life if you put everything you have into it.

JGrabowMSt > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/23/2015 at 22:49

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There's certainly a fine line between being realistic and not even trying.

Realistically, no, you can't afford a Ferrari or high end modern Porsche tomorrow.

You're not even trying if you've already thrown in the towel.

See the difference?

Don't set yourself up to fail by starting off saying you can't. Give yourself a running start, and slowly work up to the point. You never know what kind of opportunity you may get in the future, and if you always avoid new experiences, you may miss out completely on those opportunities, and never even know it was a chance.

wunderwagen wants a longer roof > JGrabowMSt 02/23/2015 at 22:52

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I really needed to read something like this, thanks Grabow.

It really threw some things that were kinda jumbled in my head, into perfect clarity. It also made me appreciate my Stratus and all it issues and quirks a little more. No matter how much I'd like something bigger and nicer, I love that faithful hunk of iron and steel that has taken everything I've thrown at it and put it through.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > JGrabowMSt 02/23/2015 at 23:17

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My future is very uncertain right now. I'm failing in my college courses, and if that follows through this semester, I'm out of college with debt on my hands with nothing accomplished. I work my ass off and get as much help as I can, but come May, I know damn well it won't be enough to save me.

After that, my life is uncertain, with no real job or work, while others press on to places I could only imagine for myself if I was so fortunate. It's easy to have hopes when you're not at the brink of extreme failure, a failure you can't ever live down against your peers, one that effectively stunts your growth, future ambitions and dreams with a blink of an eyelid and no one will care or do shit about it and it's all on you and your helpless to stop it no matter how hard you torture yourself, how little you sleep and eat, how you wish you were smarter and better than everyone else, being on their level. It's not the worst possible thing compared to others that have it worse off than me, but from my perspective, it is the penultimate door to a life of hell.

You wouldn't understand.

Yossarian > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 00:25

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Please go talk to a school counsellor or psychiatrist. They can help you with school and refer you to disability services which will help with school work. It's all free.

Gizmo - The Only Good Gremlin, but don't feed me after Midnight > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 00:33

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From the perspective of another enthusiast who owns a rare uncommon dream car in my Cadillac XLR-V, I can honestly tell you I felt as you do when I first laid eyes on it over 12 years ago. Today, it's mine free and clear, raced twice a month and in just as many car shows. Sure, driving a Ferrari La Ferrari around COTA is on my bucket list, but I can have just as much pride and fun in this while I work toward that. (my piss poor photoshop)

You sound just like my son, "I can't have it so why go look at it." My response is always MOTIVATION and PRIORITIES.

A personal analogy: When I was 10, I told my dad I wanted to be a fighter pilot. For six years, he took me to every airshow near us; he introduced me to private, commercial, and military pilots; he got me rides in anything and everything he could that had wings. THAT'S MOTIVATION and I was determined to get my priorities in order to achieve my goal! I flew my first fighter at 19.

If going to car shows doesn't motivate you, that's fine, find out what does, and do it often. OK, probably neither of us will own our ultimate dream cars, but I'll never stop dreaming. I at least have a plan (its unlikely, I get to the end-game), but I'm going to enjoy the intermediate steps while I work my plan based on my priorities (all my life isn't about cars). If nothing motivates you, then as JGrabowMSt already said,

You're not even trying if you've already thrown in the towel.

You talk about attention.

And you know what, maybe I do crave some form of attention, something I've never had but always wanted as a kid, that's never gonna go away.

Create your own. Create a one-off custom. Make your car unique, for example, my XLR holds two Land Speed Records and is currently the quickest and fastest documented stock block XLR (It'll never win a Concourse D'Elegance - because racecar, but it will be there with its own unique bona fides). When my car club rolls into town 15-20 deep for a car show, I've got the one that's least shiny or doesn't look exactly like the others (and when I open the cutouts you know why). You'd be amazed just how simple making your car more desirable to you gets attention.

Don't give up. I'll end with a quote I heard recently: "There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self."

Gizmo - The Only Good Gremlin, but don't feed me after Midnight > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 00:43

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Yes I do understand. Up until finals my first year at the Air Force Academy, my GPA was in the square root club. My fighter pilot dreams were fading fast. But, I adjusted my priorities, found my short-term motivation in the friendship of a dedicated sponsor, sought counseling and tutors and overcame. You can, too.

Mathias Rios > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 01:36

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Tessa! (That was my 944's name.)

Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 02/24/2015 at 01:58

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but I don't have a car. At all.

Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 02:10

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Well, I am turning 16 soon so there is that.

ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 10:22

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Look a Sable!!!!

Kate's Dirty Sister > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 11:43

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EXPENSIVE CARS ARE ALL BOUGHT LEASED BY DOUCHEBAGS WITH MORE MONEY THAN BRAIN

Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 11:50

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The older I get the wisdom of Henry Ford becomes more and more true.

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JimSlade > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:22

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DAT PRELUDE PHOTO!!!!!!! the want is strong there...for both!

Password is Taco > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:26

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Well put...

Viperfan1 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 13:26

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I've been there and can say that it does get better. Keep your head up and realize that you're still better off than most of the world. I know of plenty of people who failed college, had medical issues, family problems, substance abuses and still turned their life around. Stay positive and around positive influences on your life. It gets better.

Password is Taco > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:26

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Gtuned > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:26

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Holy shit Marauder.

JimSlade > Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion 02/24/2015 at 13:27

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Spyder...

Congrats on being a kid (compared to my old ass you're a kid)...who actually wants to get their license. I have seen many emo-ish kids where I live not bother to get a license at all when they turn 16.

Back in the black and white days when I turned 16 I was at the DMV when it opened. That car, while a HUGE responsibility and item that can hurt you or others easily, was a major step to dates, going out with friends, working my first real job, etc.

Good luck getting your license...and remember what Mr. Miyagi said in Karate Kid I (still the best Karate Kid film of them all)

"Just remember, license never replace eye, ear, and brain"

WhoYouCallinCurvy > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:27

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Interesting article. Just a nit, and at the risk of being labelled "that guy" : You're talking about envy, not jealousy.

Jealousy is your fear of someone taking what's yours (like a fear of someone stealing your girl/boy friend).

Envy is wanting what someone else has (like really wanting someone else's fancy car).

Password is Taco > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:28

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"The problem with saying that is that for many of the cars on that list, it's not just an issue of buying the car, it's the maintenance and the insurance and it's not something to scoff at. These costs are very high, and it's something too many people just don't even consider when they say they want these high end or truly exotic rides. It's not wrong to have dreams, but our dreams shouldn't just be to own a special car, it should be to take care of it, and keep it as proud as possible"

How I feel as well

Tom > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:32

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Jealousy falls to those who seek attention. Think of it this way. You bought your car because you had a set of requirements you needed to make. Your car is perfect for the life you have made for yourself. To seek someone else's car is to seek someone else's lifestyle. One that ultimately got your attention.

detailer4u > ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier 02/24/2015 at 13:33

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LOL. I was thnking the same thing. I actually had a Sable as a company car. Your post reminded me of when my brother and I would be having a serious conversation. When he wanted me to lighten up he woud all of a sudden blurt out "Oh, look a squirrel!" Thanks for the laugh and memory.

porschephile463 > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:34

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this guy is feeling no jealousy

detailer4u > JimSlade 02/24/2015 at 13:35

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Amen to that! The Prelude filled my dreams as a youth. I loved them.

Johnnyazz > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:36

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yeah!! you like that dont you baby?

Sir HoonsAlot > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:36

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Awesome article

HG_Pennypacker > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:36

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I have some means in life, but I refuse to own an exotic as I think it a waste of money. Seriously, you'd be better off putting the money in a pile in the middle of your living room and lighting it on fire. Also, if I'm going to spend that kind of dough, I'd rather go just a bit further and own a race team (with or without me as the driver).

That said, it IS your money, so if that's what you want, no one should stop you. I might think you're not spending it right, but I don't hate you for having the coin to do it.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:37

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Tow. Tall. Chick magnet

Peptide > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:37

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I misunderstood the question if this essay is the answer...

The same people that take pictures of my semi-exotic will, given a chance, laugh at my winter-beater and that's why...I don't care either way. I buy toys that I both want and can afford, and I don't shed a tear for the things that I want but can't afford.

I also don't give a rat's ass about what anybody thinks about my cars, good or bad, because I can barely make "me" happy, much less a bunch of god-damned strangers.

chicagoE36 > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:37

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This '96 FZR600 is the bees knees.

StuntmanDan > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 13:37

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I failed out of college when I was 20 and now I'm 31. My goal back then was to buy a Corvette by the time I was 30. I bought a Cobalt SS in cash at 26 and could have bought a Corvette by the time I was 30 . I didn't. I'm still enjoying the Cobalt and am planning on replacing my truck before thinking of changing up the Cobalt. For me just knowing that I could have bought that Corvette was enough. I'm happy with that. I can see myself being able to buy something exotic in another 5-10 years, but I can say I probably won't want to at that point. A Corvette would be pretty cool someday, but it's not necessary for my own happiness.

Point is, I've been in your shoes, and life isn't over. Put your head down and work hard and you can do well without a college education. Don't stick with what everyone else does though. Look for the unconventional things that make you happy and will make you want to keep working.

Forty61Graphics > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:38

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Great advice there. I've tried to own a wide variety of stuff and there's always been a positive to every car I've owned, something unique that makes you like that specific car. It may not be the fastest, shiniest or most exclusive but taking pride in looking after whatever you drive is so rewarding. My current daily, a '65 Chevelle sedan, gives me pride in keeping it on the road and driving around because countless people say stuff to me about it like how it reminds them of either having one or riding around in their parents one when they were younger. Giving people that little fuzzy feeling about a car is what being an enthusiast should be about!

ldympr > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:38

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I remember being 11 when the Superbird came out-our neighbor bought one and gave us all a ride, I went home and asked my parents to buy us one, they said it was ugly-I turned around and said that I will have one when I get older.

Fast forward to 1998- 100,000 car? OMG so I built one, sure it's not original but it is MINE! I love it and drive it everywhere. People that own the Superbirds and Daytonas do not drive them that often, so I get a lot of attention, but for me it is the joy of the fact that I built her and drive her, the driving experience! yes, the wing works!

I do get a secret joy that Daytona and Superbird owners call me and ask how it feels to drive one.

I'm not jealous of others, sure there are a lot of cars I want but hey you can admire them at car shows.Maybe because I have built my own I have a different perspective. Diecast cars work for me :p I do have an affinity for the Aston Martin-I even have three parts to one I don't own yet.

MoparMap > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:38

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That's what we need more of, people appreciating cars in general. To so many a car is just transportation, but it's such a large investment for a lot of people I'm never sure why they don't seem to treat them better. My dad just traded our old 99 Vette with 120,000+ on it in on a like new Challenger, but I think his ultimate love is still the 93 Stealth that sits by the curb with nearly 300k on the odometer. We've brought that car back from the brink twice now after the timing belt slipped and took out all the valves, then slipped again after the rebuild when the power steering belt shredded into it. It was close to being untrustworthy and sold for a while, but it's as much a part of the family as the dogs and I've grown to love it just as much. I've threatened to be the one to buy it as a backup car if he ever does sell it. It's the cheapest car in the family stable, but probably the most special just the same.

porschephile463 > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:39

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there is no possible way you spent $2500 on tires. I just bought new Michelin Pilot Super Sports for my 911 turbo and they were only $1600. And that's with 305's out back

Battery Tender Unnecessary > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:39

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Hey, that looks familiar! :)

And you're right. I am much more interested in what someone's car means to them and how that influences others than what it is. It's why I find myself walking past a 458 with an aloof and condescending owner at Car and Coffee and talking to the guy that brought his ratty but working Mk.II Supra that he spends every weekend working on and most of his money fixing. That passion is contagious and fuels a lot of hard work and aspiration.

A BIG part of my love of cars and part of why I work so hard is because someone let me sit in their Lamborghini Countach when I was a small kid. I'll have that memory until the day I die and it has driven my love of cars somewhere it might not have otherwise.

ldympr > ldympr 02/24/2015 at 13:41

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Forgot to add, that when I bought a BMW DD, everyone was jealous ohhh a high end car. My BMW is a car with a badge, a tool. My real high end car is my charger.

I love all cars though, I don't care what they are.

JRRREmCee > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:41

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nothing

The_Phalanx > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:41

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Why is there a Mercury Sable in the top picture? 4th car in. WHO BROUGHT A SABLE? Sigh.

mlevere1988 > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:41

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I got my dream car. I drive it daily, mileage be damned. Like you, I am not saving this car for someone else, this is my car and I will drive the piss out of it. I was not driven by being jealous of someone else. I wanted a special car, that made me feel special when I drove it. I didn't care what anyone else thought when I bought it. I have had other 'special' cars in the past but when I get out after driving to work and look over my shoulder at it when I walk away, I do not regret my purchase.

ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier > detailer4u 02/24/2015 at 13:42

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I'm the owner of that Sable!

tsy1987 > Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion 02/24/2015 at 13:42

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I feel like there is a disconnect with kids these days. It seems that a lot of kids don't really care to get their licenses or even to learn how to drive. I guess this is why the idea of self driving cars is so enchanting to people these days.... sad times.

I'm glad you are excited to start driving. My first car was a 1987 Acura Legend Coupe with a 5 speed manual (It was the same age as me) . The paint was TORE UP, reverse had a nasty click, and most of the electronics didn't work. I LOVED that thing. My family finally got rid of it when it started having issues at around 295K + miles. This article definitely summed up my experience with that car and most all of the cars I have owned. It doesn't sound like you need any encouraging... but at any rate, enjoy your first car, no matter how much of a beater it is, it is yours and you will probably remember it for the rest of your life.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 13:43

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From here on out I am going to swamp you with motivational sayings rendered in cartoon/comic form. If that doesn't light a fire under your ass to get up and punch your problems in the face, then you are probably a robot.

Scallootch > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:45

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It's okay to teach a kit that nobody in the world needs more than 276 horsepower. Indeed, only an enthusiast can explain why a whole nation of manufacturers would (at least for a time) have agreed.

It's also very okay to admire a TVR in a museum, a car show, or a vintage race without ever aspiring to own one. When a car's greatest value is to reflect the nonsensically unsustainable era that created them, it's only really the enthusiast who can appreciate the full extent of this manifestation. If an enthusiast club-rallies a mundane, hundred-horsepower econobox and never wishes to DeMuro him/herself to anything more expensively esoteric, (s)he is no less an enthusiast than an exotic-car owner, and could represent and propagate far greater enthusiasm than the nouveau-riche broker who's just specced out a new flappy-paddled, six-hundred-horse exotic-of-the-month.

Enthusiasm is neither qualified by nameplates, ownership, or aspiration towards such ownership. An enthusiast can appreciate a CLK-GTR with interest while actively wishing to never own one. Enthusiasm is a matter of interest and attention, even if that interest is in the mere idea that nobody ever needed or deserved a car more capable than a Lancia Delta (okay, maybe a Delta with interchangeable left and right taillights to match those smart doorhandles), or knowing that anyone who swears against trail braking has likely never seen a proper hairpin.

Fifteen year-olds: if you're reading this site, then you likely already qualify as an enthusiast, just as you do when you hoon your pop's Cherokee, argue about your cousin Tony's Mustang, giggle at Tsuchiya's kerbstrike rev-spiking technique, or fart at the Lambo display at an autoshow just to see a sour look on some money-hungry faces. No purchase necessary, kids.

QCGoose > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 13:45

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Just to echo what has already been said, but is so, so true: It does get better. Honest.

Just keep your head up, think positive, surround yourself with the right people, and continue to try your hardest. If you try your hardest, then no matter the outcome, you'll know you gave it your best, and the outcome is just the way your story is meant to be written, even if it takes you somewhere unexpected.

Most of all, continue to talk about what's troubling you. To your family, your friends, and even here in the digital world. The worst thing anyone can do when they're down about anything, is keep it inside.

But just drive this into your head: It does get better.

Charles Martel > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:45

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I for one can't wait to take my 911 past 200K.

Spencer Williams > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 13:46

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If you think your future is already decided by what you did or did not accomplish in college, you are placing WAY too much emphasis on your current predicament. I'm not saying things don't suck right now, but I am saying you have no idea where your life is going to go, and that is not at all a bad thing. You're going to be fine, and if you decide it's what you want, you're going to have a car you once lusted after.

FiveLiters1 > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:46

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One of these things is not like the other...

NC > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:46

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the hate is the problem, someone who focused enough to buy car costing more than some peoples homes and you hate them for it because they or people around them created a circumstance for them self that you couldn't. If you really want something figure out how to make it happen but most of these "enthusiasts" love to praise old junk cars because they spend too much time in car forums and not enough time making money to buy the thing they actually want. if I make enough money by June I'm getting a used 458 I've wanted one for years now and I can finally afford the insurance and I have a safe place to store it and I won't sell it for about 10 years.

Manat > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 13:46

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never let go of your actual dreams no matter how tough it gets. You're failing in college and REALLY want to do good? Work your ASS off, work work work make sure you understand the material, if you can think it, you can do it. Focus on school, I've been there, and I worked my way out of it. Work now and reap the benefits later. It may sound bad but man you have to sand wood before it become smooth, and you working is sanding and the wood is what you believe what your route to success is, keep sanding and your wood (no pun intended) will be smooth and clean in no time.

MN2098 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 13:47

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Keep pushing in college, retake courses of you have to to keep your GPA up, don't give up. Seek out some on campus tutors, study groups and your professors. You just need to say I need help, what can I do to turn it around? All of them are 100% willing to help you turn it around because they want their students to succeed.

As for exotic car ownership goes, don't worry about it, there's plenty of rent for a day or rent for a track day options abound. I was dead fixed on buying a 911 until I did a track day rental at Dream Racing, experienced everything I wanted to in the car and now I'm ready to stick with the car I got.

Keep this in mind, with determination and tools you can modify your own car to be whatever you want. Don't like the interior? Believe it or not you can upholster your entire car to leather or other materials and add sound supression. Power? Handling? Brakes? Gadgets? You can do all of that yourself. Yes you will essentially make the car your own and not get the resale you want but there's something rewarding about having an ongoing project for 5 years or more and enjoying your own imagination go into a car.

QCGoose > ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier 02/24/2015 at 13:48

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Hell, is there even anything else in that photo? My eyes were drawn straight to that mystical beast, and soon after that everything else around it just vanished.

BiffMagnetude > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 13:48

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You have made a very strong case for telling the little kid to forget cars as they poison the spirit. If this is where car enthusiasm takes you, it is time to sell what you've got, get a Civic and go camping far away from anyone who might have a better tent.

I was once on a very limited budget, a combination of hard work and luck has put me into the position to get pretty close to anything I want in the car world. I don't have an exotic because I have broad interests and I am not so wealthy that I could own a new Ferrari and follow other pursuits I enjoy.

Here's the thing. When I got money, I bought a ton of things I thought I always wanted. It's an empty well. You keep getting and getting and getting and each purchase feels a little less good than the last. It's like drugs the more you take the more you want and in the end you don't feel one damned bit better. I now spend a lot less and put more effort into making time to live not money to spend. Your 430 will just leave you looking over the hedge at somebody's Gallardo, Forget cars or move into the part of the hobby that requires building them. You can't buy the work or the satisfaction that comes from creating something and maybe that will be enough for you.

QCGoose > JimSlade 02/24/2015 at 13:49

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What a beautiful setting as well. That backdrop could be used for any car or motorcycle and it'd be a fantastic pic.

cmfireman > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:49

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A guy I use to work with DD'd a 1996 Impala SS about 80 miles daily. When I asked him why he didn't drive a gas sipper, he replied "There's more to driving than gas mileage".

Made me regret my purchase of a gas saver from then on. My next car will be something I love.

CALUSA > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:52

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Just casually weeing against a Mercedes.

BiffMagnetude > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:52

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Very few people will be able to afford a 918 no matter how hard they work. Living as if you are going to be able to keep up with Gates is a recipe for failure. Comparing yourself to others is a recipe for disappointment even if you succeed. Somebody else will always be richer.

24kt Silver > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:53

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Wow, some of the comments were a bit of a downer. I'm going to offer some advice to those who think they can never obtain their dream car.

Go to Vegas or any other place that allows you to rent exotics (if that's your dream car), for example, and rent one.

Preferably do it where you get some track time. Even if you've never driven on a track, or are old and infirm, you will get to go at your pace, while still being allowed to exploit the car to a lot more of its full potential than on any city street.

Sure, it can be somewhat expensive, anywhere from $400-2000.

But you can scratch the itch, and you will never, ever regret it. Even if it's a week's salary, it is well worth being in your dream car and having those memories for the rest of your life.

And here's the odd part. It may actually make you appreciate your CURRENT ride more (assuming it is some type of performance vehicle and not family/econobox).

Coty > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:53

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Educated Fastman.

Gary Yogurt > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:53

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Jealousy is not nor should it ever be an inherent quality for any kind of enthusiast. It's not a positive asset for anyone or any hobby. It is not a real motivator either, as jealousy is really desire with the belief you can obtain something removed. It's a ridiculous bitterness that is a waste of your time and life. Set goals around things greater than automobiles, and reward yourself with what you want if you make it there.

Whomever dies with the most toys, still dies.

whatisthatsound > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:54

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I completely agree 100%. When I was a kid and didn't have any concept of money or rareness I was given a cheap '97 GTS Blue with White stripes Viper. All the other models I've gotten I've played with except that one. I wanted it before I knew what car envy was. Now that I have it I look at the insane cars on line and the article about the 20 year old super car owner. I'm in love with the cars, but I don't want them like I did that Viper. I tell people who ask me how I can afford it my exact story and what I'm willing to give up to get one. Sacrifices are made, but in my eyes it is completely worth it.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:54

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Not jealous.

Andrew T. Maness > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:56

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To just live a life of jealousy over a lack of attention or "I could have had X," is simply not how to be an automotive enthusiast.

Beyond that, it's how not to live period.

Great piece, hope to see more writing from you soon.

JGrabowMSt > porschephile463 02/24/2015 at 13:57

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I'm not talking about the Magnum, I'm talking about the SL, but it was the previous owner, not myself that spent that money, but mount and balance were included. It was a set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports about 4 years ago. Was it a ripoff by the tire place? Not my problem. Car doesn't have them anymore, but I sure miss the confidence those tires had.

I spent about $1200 on two sets of tires for the Magnum, one for the winter, one for spring/summer/fall. Works good enough for me.

VAConundrum > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:57

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I wouldn't necessarily say it's a "fine" line... Yes, I will never attain a Bugatti Veyron if I don't try. But I am also infinitesimally unlikely to ever attain a Veyron by trying. Far fewer than .1% of the world's population will ever be able to afford one, and that's counting the individuals that *started out* wealthy enough to afford one.

Beyond that, I will forever remain jealous of vehicles that even if I could afford, I wouldn't choose to. To the average plebian like me, it's impossible to justify any vehicle costing more than many mansions. I don't think I could live with myself spending $2M on a car. I've lived hungry. I've been broke. I've been broken in spirit and completely without hope. I've worked for minimum wage immediately after graduating with a bachelors in Engineering. My life has improved, but I'll never forget going through those struggles.

How much nerve/ego does it take to ignore that you could feed a thousand people for a year for the amount of money you paid for some aluminum and carbon fiber to surround you? I'm not sure, but these things cross my mind. Doesn't stop me for a second from being insanely jealous every time I see a beautiful Supercar drive by. I just think even with the jealousy, and even if I had $2B sitting in the bank, I'd probably still be more excited about buying a mid 90s All-trac celica, putting in a built motor, and tearing around with 500 WHP for less than $20K than I ever would get about riding around in a $1-2M car just to get a few jealous stares.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > trey0four 02/24/2015 at 13:57

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That's how I feel about mine. To most people it's well known as garbage, but I like it. Logically I shouldn't (bar the engine, that's awesome) but I do. End of story.

JGrabowMSt > The_Phalanx 02/24/2015 at 13:58

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I took the picture, it was an Oppo Meetup. I know all of the cars in the picture, including the ones that are missing because they had to leave.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 13:58

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Jonathan Harper > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:58

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Yes, the SLS AMG must be watered twice a day to ensure proper growth.

FiveLiters1 > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 13:59

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Agree with all points,though I would rephrase the tone of the article like this:

There is a difference between 'jealous' and 'envious'. I think the majority of car people are more envious than anything,speaking within the confines of this article. To me,jealousy is when you see something that someone has that you don't have,and you not only want,but kind of wish the other person didn't have,or feel that they somehow don't deserve. Envious is more when you appreciate that the person has what they have, you'd like to be that guy as well,but still respect them for having it,however they arrived at that point. Personally,I like seeing all the stuff at the shows,because it grants me an opportunity to see things I most likely won't acquire,yet I can share in their enjoyment on some small level.

JGrabowMSt > porschephile463 02/24/2015 at 13:59

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The Backdraft Cobra? It had a sheet metal screw in the back tire, clutch was a little funky, and it was being a grumpy car that day. Fun and pretty comfortable though. Just carefully slam the door, otherwise it doesn't shut.

GasMan > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 14:01

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Totally wrong. A car is special if I say it is. I am available for a small phenomenal fee to sort cars at your next local car show. McLaren F1 or P1. You're in. Gallardo, well you better have a bribe and very hot chick seat covers.

Anything before WWII, you're in. Before WWI, you're in the front. Monster Miata, you'd better have built it yourself with a Sikorsky turbine motor. Corvette, the country club is 2 miles down the road.

Slammed VW Bug, you're in. Porsche 911, it better be air cooled and turbocharged. Jaguar F-Type - sorry you can't lease your way into this show.

BiffMagnetude > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 14:02

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I failed out of college during my first two years. I wasn't ready and it was embarrassing. I needed to hit the reset button for a few years. I worked in landscaping digging ditches and carrying rocks. It was awesome. I got strong I felt free from the bullshit. I lived in a crap hole and read books. My real friends never left no matter where they were at relative to me. When I was ready I went back to school and did really well.

The crap hole years were some of the best of my life. Forget fucking cars for a while, maybe for good. Status symbols are bullshit.

JGrabowMSt > cmfireman 02/24/2015 at 14:02

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My Magnum RT sees at minimum a 90 mile round trip commute, 5 days a week, with about 60-100 miles total on the weekend usually. Sometimes more.

I could have gone with the 3.5L V6 if I was concerned about gas mileage, but they don't do any better than the 5.7L in that department, in all honesty.

I used to own a Jetstar1 > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 14:05

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Not jealously, but Modern Lamborghini, Ferrari, BMW, Porsche etc. drivers shouldn't expect a thumbs up. I mean it just means your rich, not much else. Someone enjoying a Shelby Cobra or
any classic is something else entirely.

TheJWT > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 14:05

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Awesome write up, this should be required reading for car guys and girls.

I bought my car out of jealousy; all of my friends were buying cars out of high school, and I was afraid I'd have to wait until I graduated college in 2018 to even think of getting one. So I did what most people would say is a so-called "horrible financial decision" and bought a car which is older than me for $2000 on Craigslist.

I knew it was dumb. I knew I'd regret it. I've sank more money than I want to say on it, and realistically I can only drive it 3 months out of the year. It's bad on gas, it's loud, my girlfriend hates it, it's mostly broken, and it looks like hell. But typing this now, I realize I've never once regretted buying it.

I guess what I'm trying to say, to reinforce the point of your article, is love what you have, not what you want.

(Oh, and hopefully it'll be in good enough shape this fall to drive up to NY so I can prove to everyone at C&C I'm not bullshitting and I actually have a car!)

ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier > The_Phalanx 02/24/2015 at 14:06

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That would be my Sable.

detailer4u > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 14:06

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"You have the ability to be a part of a culture, one that is not restricted by whether you have an exotic or a domestic, American Muscle or German Luxury. Car culture is about enjoying and experiencing. Experience all you can, and make the experience as positive as possible for everyone you meet, especially the youngest members who are most impressionable. It's supposed to be fun, let's keep it that way."

I really really really love cars. Not just one over the other. I love everything automotive. At the end of the day the friendships and memories I have from cars are special to me. Cars are a part of the family and the experiences in life itself. The car culture is wonderful. The people you meet in the gear head world are some of the nicest you will ever know. I agree with this last statement of this post completely. Anything can be turned into a positive or a negative. The jealousy, it can be good or bad. Depends on the person and what behavior the jealousy drives. It can make you step up your game, or help others work on their dream machines. Either way I am pretty sure the culture brings a lot of people together. The cars are at the heart of the culture, and the car culture is one of the best on earth.

I know I may not ever own one of the most desireable cars on earth, but he ones I have owned I chose because they spoke to me and my manageable desires. Whatever role the cars play in my life I will enjoy them. That's what the culture is all about.

chucky2jimmy > HG_Pennypacker 02/24/2015 at 14:10

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If it's a Ferrari...it will sit in you garage and light itself on fire. Double WIN!!!

Built BMW Tough > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 14:10

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I'd like to think that jealousy is the reason that someone stabbed my rear tire while I was at Safeway a few months ago. I parked perfectly and not in a way that someone would have to squeeze in their car.

It could have just been an asshole.

JGrabowMSt > WhoYouCallinCurvy 02/24/2015 at 14:10

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Like the feeling of having the attention stolen away from you the moment that exotic drives past you at the car show? Considering how often that happens, and that was the deeper meaning behind this (sometimes it's more important to read between the lines), I'm standing by the usage right now.

We'd all be impressed by each other with our "normal cars" all the time if it weren't for attention stealing exotics. But are we really supposed to be jealous of the shift in attention?

Don't worry, I'm not arguing, just stating my reasoning. You're not the first person to bring it up, and I understand the definitions of each word, but the article isn't about the cars, it's about the attention. Jealousy is over emotion, envy is over material things, and that's why I chose my wording as such. That's all.

JGrabowMSt > QCGoose 02/24/2015 at 14:11

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Visit New Jersey! We have wonderful backdrops!

JGrabowMSt > 24kt Silver 02/24/2015 at 14:13

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I regret to inform you I have but one star to give.

detailer4u > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 14:13

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I hope you find some comfort in all of the experience and wisdom you see here from fellow Jalopers. Many of us have been not too far from what you are feeling now in our lives. I am not discounting the the feelings you have expressed here, but it is how you face it and come throught it. I know you have probably heard that before, but keep pushing thorugh the feelings and experiences and I know you can overcome the thigns you see before you right now. Everyone has had a struggle, and everyone has a way to cope and fight against it. Try really hard to find your way man. I promise you there is an answer, but you cannot give up.

HG_Pennypacker > chucky2jimmy 02/24/2015 at 14:14

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Haha....well said!

Jonathan Harper > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 02/24/2015 at 14:16

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I failed a bunch of classes in college. It took me 5 and a half years to officially graduate. You see that shit slowing me down? Get your mind out of the dumps, be positive, and just keep working.

This line of thinning won't get you anywhere productive.

JWu > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 14:16

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Agreed~ sounds funny, but many times I feel that my daily drive - Accord Sport 6MT - is rather special somehow. Maybe it's the startled looks I get when people see it's actually a stick shift Accord? Sure it's gray and you can lose it in the parking lot (I did, twice, walking up to the wrong car), but still feels somehow special to me.

Shoop > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 14:17

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hahahaha

Dangerous > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 14:17

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Hey that's my car! (don't be jealous)

Wes Mantooth > JGrabowMSt 02/24/2015 at 14:18

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I've never really understood the appeal of exotic cars. Even if I had millions in the bank I don't think I'd buy one. I'd rather spend my time lusting for something somewhat attainable. The most expensive thing I want right now is an M235i. Maybe they just seem better in my eyes because they're tantalizingly close but when I close my eyes at night I dream of Focus RSes and Golf Rs.

Cameron > trey0four 02/24/2015 at 14:18

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I agree..I dd a 92 Integra..I feel like no one understands how special they are..I bought mine for 200$ with no engine or trans and the interior had an inch of water in it..no one understood why I spend mouths returning in to factory freshness..because its "just a old economy car"